[Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one for the moment

Wed Aug 6 01:35:57 CDT 2008

I was going to suggest that this could be an opportunity to shoot Anamorphic scope! Although if you don't have the budget you don't have the budget, it's just easier when it is a short to be able to shoot in something like that.

Short ends can be cheaper than you think but of course your lab costs etc remain fixed sadly.

The other possibility is shooting Super16 or even 16mm! I don't think you should rule those out at all just because most big budget movies are shot on 35. 35mm is after all just the same stuff in slightly different packaging. I think you should look into S16, The only big problem might be getting short ends or other cheap stock.

3 perf also sounds like it could definitely work out for you! 

Theres another issue with 2 perf that you might want to keep in mind, and that is that if there are no 2 perf cameras around where you are, how easy will it be to get the telecine done? If there are 3 perf cameras nearby then at least you know that other people must have tried 3 perf before.The 2 perf telecine is becoming less and less of a problem, and presumably if places are set up for 3 perf they can do 2 as well but I'd just be concerned there could be issues if no-one there is shooting it.

Lastly you should maybe start thinking now about the future if you do want to shoot 2 perf as that 2 perf Kinor probably won't be sitting around there forever and when the penelope comes out there may be a bit of 2 perf mania happening.

Oh and before I go, I have to ask, do you have to have PL mount right now? Could you not maybe get an OCT19 zoom or something and use that? If you did get the 2 perf camera then you would be the only people in your market with 2 perf!

love

Freya

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at> wrote:

> From: XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one for the moment
> To: "Konvas Discussion List" <cinema at konvas.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:14 AM
> thanks for your inputs
> 
> probably blinded by our young naiveness, we thought that it
> would be
> easy to get a 2perf camera and shoot right away in a
> location we don't
> know yet
> 
> well now we'll try to settle with a 3perf camera from
> there, so we
> have the rental house nearby or try to rent a 2perf bl4
> body only
> which i am just now asking about because then they at least
> would have
> the accessories and heavy stuff like batteries and mags in
> hk, but
> that's still in the stars as well...
> 
> the main struggle is to make it possible to shoot this
> short film on
> 35mm, we're tired of all the digital shit flying
> around, sorry for
> using such harsh words
> 
> buying short ends might not be the problem, but if we
> best-light all
> the material, it's still an increase by 25% from
> 2-perf, which would
> be ok though.
> 4perf on the other hand would be an increase of 50% from
> 2perf, so
> that's almost impossible for the budget
> 
> it's really good to have such a good platform to
> discuss such things
> where people share their experience just like that
> 
> thanks again, regards from vienna
> 
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:05 AM, H. W. Stone
> <colcam at aim.com> wrote:
> > Trying to shoot a strange camera in a strange
> location-- that's worse than
> > shooting a feature.
> >
> > I was just offered a Euro batch of 35mm--  Fuji stock,
> mostly fast, a mere
> > 66,000 feet-- for three thousand if I would get it out
> of their way.  Of
> > course I wasn't THERE, but I got a friend to pick
> it up, and she is using it
> > with some other recans to shoot a feature.
> >
> > She said the most wonderful sight was the look on the
> Sony rep's face when
> > she said she couldn't afford to rent a CineAlta,
> she had to settle for 35mm
> > film instead.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Frey <thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com>
> >
> > HW,
> >
> > I don't think you're a radical old grouch in
> what you're saying - I
> >
> > whole-heartedly agree that shooting a feature with an
> unfamiliar camera
> >
> > would be a nightmare...
> >
> >
> >
> > BUT, I believe XiaoSu is shooting a 3-day short film,
> which would make
> >
> > more sense, although I still think the camera would
> have to be tested
> >
> > with a few cans of footage to figure out what what
> problems they will
> >
> > run into before they get onto the real shoot.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the 4-perf vs 2-perf dilemma, XiaoSu, if
> neither Bruce nor Anders
> >
> > can get a 2-perf camera to you before your shooting
> date, you can easily
> >
> > find recan/shortends that are fairly low cost
> (sometimes as low as 1/4
> >
> > of the price of fresh raw stock, depending on
> lengths). Run the numbers,
> >
> > you might be well surprised that shooting 4-perf is
> more affordable than
> >
> > you think.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hasta Luego!
> >
> > btw: I'm still in Spain, currently in the
> beautiful city of Salamanca.
> >
> > Anyone need any pictures before I leave? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam Frey
> >
> > Director/Cinematographer
> >
> > Crimson Chain Productions
> >
> > http://crimsonchain.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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