[Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one for the moment

XiaoSu Han xax at stilfabrik.at
Wed Aug 6 13:45:06 CDT 2008 

mr stone, i am planning ahead by asking questions on this helpful list,

i am sorry, but the most shooters here just use 4perf and thats it. we
asked our rental about varicon, they said in 7 years nobody ever asked
about it
we asked about anamorph lenses, they only have one since it's arri
austria and arri does not seem to go the anamorph route that much

we ask stuff at the lab, but only get to people who don't know what
they are doing, writing 150m three times although we told them that we
want to develop and telecine 150ft of material
etc. etc. etc. not understanding that we are low budget and thus don't
want a 200 euro hdcam tape, so what's left? right, the internet, and
since information is so scattered, i'll just have to bother the people
on this list if i have a few questions to ask, that's my way of
planning ahead

so having said that i would still have a few questions:

what is the difference between a HD telecine and the DI route?
isn't DI just 2k telecine (isn't 2K HD?) -> color correction -> print
positive on film, am i missing something?
why is the HD telecine cheaper than a DI then?

we probably won't shoot anamorphic since the lenses are too slow and
the script is completely in the night.

there's one more thing that's puzzling me,

i quote something from the konvas.org list posted earlier

"The thing is though, that shooting with 2-perf, 3-perf, or even 4-
perf, will still cost the same for telecine type transfers (taking
your film footage to video). Since they usually transfer by the
minute of video output, you're boned equally on all of them. "

so if i do telecine, is it the standard to use the minutes of the
video output as price reference? because we got a quote here and they
calculated the telecine costs based on the whole material footwise

so what would be the cheapest way of doing 4perf at the lab? with
telecine HD to hard disk i guess?

thanks so much for any help... just starting out on 35mm and so over
my head already :)


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Dan Cordle <dancordle at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Han,
>
> An option for getting film at a good price is to contact production
> companies who are shooting in your area. Whether they are using 35mm or
> 16mm, they will probably have film left over after they're done shooting.
> You could possibly purchase from them at a big savings - possibly better
> than what you'd get from a film re-seller. If nothing else, the production
> folks you speak with can probably give you information about where you can
> get good re-cans and short ends near you.
>
> Best,
> Dan C.
>
> ________________________________
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:28:36 +0200
>> From: xax at stilfabrik.at
>> To: kingkahluaman9 at yahoo.com; cinema at konvas.org
>> Subject: Re: [Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one for
>> the moment
>>
>> thanks for the link, unfortunately they are in the us and shipping
>> would take too long for now
>>
>> rita, that's a good suggestion, we are considering anamorphic now, one
>> more question, is the cost going to be higher with anamorphic vs.
>> normal 4perf? if we go the DI route completely
>>
>> thanks for information!!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM, James Compton <kingkahluaman9 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Han,
>> >
>> >
>> > Check out www.reelgoodfilm.com. They have great deals on recans and
>> > short ends.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one
>> >> for the moment
>> >> To: "Konvas Discussion List" <cinema at konvas.org>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:14 PM
>> >> thanks for your inputs
>> >>
>> >> probably blinded by our young naiveness, we thought that it
>> >> would be
>> >> easy to get a 2perf camera and shoot right away in a
>> >> location we don't
>> >> know yet
>> >>
>> >> well now we'll try to settle with a 3perf camera from
>> >> there, so we
>> >> have the rental house nearby or try to rent a 2perf bl4
>> >> body only
>> >> which i am just now asking about because then they at least
>> >> would have
>> >> the accessories and heavy stuff like batteries and mags in
>> >> hk, but
>> >> that's still in the stars as well...
>> >>
>> >> the main struggle is to make it possible to shoot this
>> >> short film on
>> >> 35mm, we're tired of all the digital shit flying
>> >> around, sorry for
>> >> using such harsh words
>> >>
>> >> buying short ends might not be the problem, but if we
>> >> best-light all
>> >> the material, it's still an increase by 25% from
>> >> 2-perf, which would
>> >> be ok though.
>> >> 4perf on the other hand would be an increase of 50% from
>> >> 2perf, so
>> >> that's almost impossible for the budget
>> >>
>> >> it's really good to have such a good platform to
>> >> discuss such things
>> >> where people share their experience just like that
>> >>
>> >> thanks again, regards from vienna
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:05 AM, H. W. Stone
>> >> <colcam at aim.com> wrote:
>> >> > Trying to shoot a strange camera in a strange
>> >> location-- that's worse than
>> >> > shooting a feature.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was just offered a Euro batch of 35mm-- Fuji stock,
>> >> mostly fast, a mere
>> >> > 66,000 feet-- for three thousand if I would get it out
>> >> of their way. Of
>> >> > course I wasn't THERE, but I got a friend to pick
>> >> it up, and she is using it
>> >> > with some other recans to shoot a feature.
>> >> >
>> >> > She said the most wonderful sight was the look on the
>> >> Sony rep's face when
>> >> > she said she couldn't afford to rent a CineAlta,
>> >> she had to settle for 35mm
>> >> > film instead.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Adam Frey <thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > HW,
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't think you're a radical old grouch in
>> >> what you're saying - I
>> >> >
>> >> > whole-heartedly agree that shooting a feature with an
>> >> unfamiliar camera
>> >> >
>> >> > would be a nightmare...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BUT, I believe XiaoSu is shooting a 3-day short film,
>> >> which would make
>> >> >
>> >> > more sense, although I still think the camera would
>> >> have to be tested
>> >> >
>> >> > with a few cans of footage to figure out what what
>> >> problems they will
>> >> >
>> >> > run into before they get onto the real shoot.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > As for the 4-perf vs 2-perf dilemma, XiaoSu, if
>> >> neither Bruce nor Anders
>> >> >
>> >> > can get a 2-perf camera to you before your shooting
>> >> date, you can easily
>> >> >
>> >> > find recan/shortends that are fairly low cost
>> >> (sometimes as low as 1/4
>> >> >
>> >> > of the price of fresh raw stock, depending on
>> >> lengths). Run the numbers,
>> >> >
>> >> > you might be well surprised that shooting 4-perf is
>> >> more affordable than
>> >> >
>> >> > you think.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hasta Luego!
>> >> >
>> >> > btw: I'm still in Spain, currently in the
>> >> beautiful city of Salamanca.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone need any pictures before I leave? ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Adam Frey
>> >> >
>> >> > Director/Cinematographer
>> >> >
>> >> > Crimson Chain Productions
>> >> >
>> >> > http://crimsonchain.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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