[Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one forthemoment

Wed Aug 6 16:58:48 CDT 2008

thanks so much for your answers sean, that cleared it up for me a lot!

and lael and h.w., i understand that very much as well, but lael, how
much did you learn on that disastrous project? would you be where you
are today without doing that project?

that's what i ask myself all the time, the prep time never is enough,
we try our best, take risks, and learn from our errors, if we would
have not taken this project, we would do small video stuff here in
austria and would never go deep diving for information about shooting
35mm, 3perf, 2perf, telecine, etc. etc.

the funny thing is, the lab here in austria, vienna (actually one of
the big 2) which has a very good reputation and does all the big
austrian films and stuff, gave us the following quote: (please correct
me on the us numbers if they are wrong)

europe: 33 us cent for development a foot
 vs.
us: 16 uscent a foot incl prep and clean (seen on cinelicious homepage
http://www.cinelicious.tv/?page_id=6

telecine (now the funny part)

35mm -> HD Bestlight:

europe: 0.70 uscent a foot
vs.
us: 275$ an hour (also at cinelicious.tv)

so i calculated the following rates:

we wanted to shoot 2perf, 6x400ft, which would be about 48 minutes of material

quote from austrian lab: aprox. 2500 usd without vat and hdcam tape
quote from cinelicious: 384 usd for development + 3 hours of telecine
(called the staff and they were talking about 2 1/2 hours, to be safe,
3 hours for 48 minutes of material, unrealistic?) = 1209 usd without
taxes and shipping and tapes

4perf: 12x400ft, which also would be around 48 minutes of course

quote from austrian lab: 5000 usd
quote from cinelicious, 768 for development + same 3 hours of telecine
i guess? = 1593 usd

please correct me if i calculated something wrong there???

are they doing it this way at our lab only or why is it so expensive
around here? is it perhaps 2k HD scan then? but isn't "HD BESTLIGHT"
telecine only?

so perhaps now you understand why i wanted to shoot 4perf so
desperately, i didn't know that there are hourly rates at telecine
places and that they are charged that way....

thanks for clearing up for me!!

regards, unexperienced guy from vienna

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Camak, Lael (US - MGTTS)
<Lael.Camak at meggitt.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I love this from HW.  He is EXACTLY correct, and I try to always live by
> that (except I also add #6 Don't shoot with children or animals to that
> list).  Amazingly, my first film shoot for me at the helm broke ALL FIVE
> rules!  Which means that I was the only one stupid enough to take the job.
> There IS a GOD and he certainly came through for me on that shoot.
> Everything worked. Here below is all I was up against:
>
> Full Aperature anamorphic (no one shoots that format)
> 2 weeks of Night shoots in Europe with HMIs (AND I was shooting 29.97fps on
> 50 HZ lights / elec.)
> Camera rented in Amsterdam (never seen until we showed up)
> Anamorphic Lenses rented from Clairmont (in LA)
> Locations changed at last minute
> A third of my crew members I'd never laid eyes on until the Genny / Grip
> truck showed up
> Had to telecine an Anamorphic Full Aperature 35mm to two screens - a Left
> 4:3 and a Right 4:3 with correct overlap for projection from two laser disc
> players
> Don't get me started on audio problems and Video assist
> and the anamorphic desqueezer didn't show for the camera
>
> It wasn't me that pulled it off.  God stepped up and saved my career.
>
> Lael
> (still humbled by my own incompetencies)
>
> HW wrote:
> Never shoot two "new" items at once.
>
> A new camera.
>
> A new location.
>
> A new format.
>
> A new post process.
>
> A new crew.
>
> Pick one, but never two at once.
>
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