[Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one forthemoment

Wed Aug 6 17:27:27 CDT 2008

It may actually be cheaper to send your film to London to be scanned. Rita,
feel free to chime in at any time.:>

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at> wrote:

> From: XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one forthemoment
> To: "Konvas Discussion List" <cinema at konvas.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:58 PM
> thanks so much for your answers sean, that cleared it up for
> me a lot!
> 
> and lael and h.w., i understand that very much as well, but
> lael, how
> much did you learn on that disastrous project? would you be
> where you
> are today without doing that project?
> 
> that's what i ask myself all the time, the prep time
> never is enough,
> we try our best, take risks, and learn from our errors, if
> we would
> have not taken this project, we would do small video stuff
> here in
> austria and would never go deep diving for information
> about shooting
> 35mm, 3perf, 2perf, telecine, etc. etc.
> 
> the funny thing is, the lab here in austria, vienna
> (actually one of
> the big 2) which has a very good reputation and does all
> the big
> austrian films and stuff, gave us the following quote:
> (please correct
> me on the us numbers if they are wrong)
> 
> europe: 33 us cent for development a foot
>  vs.
> us: 16 uscent a foot incl prep and clean (seen on
> cinelicious homepage
> http://www.cinelicious.tv/?page_id=6
> 
> telecine (now the funny part)
> 
> 35mm -> HD Bestlight:
> 
> europe: 0.70 uscent a foot
> vs.
> us: 275$ an hour (also at cinelicious.tv)
> 
> so i calculated the following rates:
> 
> we wanted to shoot 2perf, 6x400ft, which would be about 48
> minutes of material
> 
> quote from austrian lab: aprox. 2500 usd without vat and
> hdcam tape
> quote from cinelicious: 384 usd for development + 3 hours
> of telecine
> (called the staff and they were talking about 2 1/2 hours,
> to be safe,
> 3 hours for 48 minutes of material, unrealistic?) = 1209
> usd without
> taxes and shipping and tapes
> 
> 4perf: 12x400ft, which also would be around 48 minutes of
> course
> 
> quote from austrian lab: 5000 usd
> quote from cinelicious, 768 for development + same 3 hours
> of telecine
> i guess? = 1593 usd
> 
> please correct me if i calculated something wrong there???
> 
> are they doing it this way at our lab only or why is it so
> expensive
> around here? is it perhaps 2k HD scan then? but isn't
> "HD BESTLIGHT"
> telecine only?
> 
> so perhaps now you understand why i wanted to shoot 4perf
> so
> desperately, i didn't know that there are hourly rates
> at telecine
> places and that they are charged that way....
> 
> thanks for clearing up for me!!
> 
> regards, unexperienced guy from vienna
> 
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Camak, Lael (US - MGTTS)
> <Lael.Camak at meggitt.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I love this from HW.  He is EXACTLY correct, and I try
> to always live by
> > that (except I also add #6 Don't shoot with
> children or animals to that
> > list).  Amazingly, my first film shoot for me at the
> helm broke ALL FIVE
> > rules!  Which means that I was the only one stupid
> enough to take the job.
> > There IS a GOD and he certainly came through for me on
> that shoot.
> > Everything worked. Here below is all I was up against:
> >
> > Full Aperature anamorphic (no one shoots that format)
> > 2 weeks of Night shoots in Europe with HMIs (AND I was
> shooting 29.97fps on
> > 50 HZ lights / elec.)
> > Camera rented in Amsterdam (never seen until we showed
> up)
> > Anamorphic Lenses rented from Clairmont (in LA)
> > Locations changed at last minute
> > A third of my crew members I'd never laid eyes on
> until the Genny / Grip
> > truck showed up
> > Had to telecine an Anamorphic Full Aperature 35mm to
> two screens - a Left
> > 4:3 and a Right 4:3 with correct overlap for
> projection from two laser disc
> > players
> > Don't get me started on audio problems and Video
> assist
> > and the anamorphic desqueezer didn't show for the
> camera
> >
> > It wasn't me that pulled it off.  God stepped up
> and saved my career.
> >
> > Lael
> > (still humbled by my own incompetencies)
> >
> > HW wrote:
> > Never shoot two "new" items at once.
> >
> > A new camera.
> >
> > A new location.
> >
> > A new format.
> >
> > A new post process.
> >
> > A new crew.
> >
> > Pick one, but never two at once.
> >
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