[Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one forthemoment

Wed Aug 6 17:54:20 CDT 2008

Seems like you are learning a lot from this project already! :)

I did wonder if you weren't going to run into this!
I have the same problem here (in the U.K), I got the prices from the local lab and was a little shocked to find that 35mm development is much more expensive than 16mm over here. In the states it is actually cheaper or the same price. When I worked it out, it was well over twice as much to process the film.

I was talking to a friend of mine and he now flies out regualy to just shoot his films in the states. Yes the flights are expensive but he saves so much money on stock, processing and telecine that he saves the cost of his flight at each and every stage

I was already thinking of telecine in the states anyway but it has made me rethink everything.

love

Freya

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at> wrote:

> From: XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] buying a 2-perf camera. finally! or renting one forthemoment
> To: "Konvas Discussion List" <cinema at konvas.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:58 PM
> thanks so much for your answers sean, that cleared it up for
> me a lot!
> 
> and lael and h.w., i understand that very much as well, but
> lael, how
> much did you learn on that disastrous project? would you be
> where you
> are today without doing that project?
> 
> that's what i ask myself all the time, the prep time
> never is enough,
> we try our best, take risks, and learn from our errors, if
> we would
> have not taken this project, we would do small video stuff
> here in
> austria and would never go deep diving for information
> about shooting
> 35mm, 3perf, 2perf, telecine, etc. etc.
> 
> the funny thing is, the lab here in austria, vienna
> (actually one of
> the big 2) which has a very good reputation and does all
> the big
> austrian films and stuff, gave us the following quote:
> (please correct
> me on the us numbers if they are wrong)
> 
> europe: 33 us cent for development a foot
>  vs.
> us: 16 uscent a foot incl prep and clean (seen on
> cinelicious homepage
> http://www.cinelicious.tv/?page_id=6
> 
> telecine (now the funny part)
> 
> 35mm -> HD Bestlight:
> 
> europe: 0.70 uscent a foot
> vs.
> us: 275$ an hour (also at cinelicious.tv)
> 
> so i calculated the following rates:
> 
> we wanted to shoot 2perf, 6x400ft, which would be about 48
> minutes of material
> 
> quote from austrian lab: aprox. 2500 usd without vat and
> hdcam tape
> quote from cinelicious: 384 usd for development + 3 hours
> of telecine
> (called the staff and they were talking about 2 1/2 hours,
> to be safe,
> 3 hours for 48 minutes of material, unrealistic?) = 1209
> usd without
> taxes and shipping and tapes
> 
> 4perf: 12x400ft, which also would be around 48 minutes of
> course
> 
> quote from austrian lab: 5000 usd
> quote from cinelicious, 768 for development + same 3 hours
> of telecine
> i guess? = 1593 usd
> 
> please correct me if i calculated something wrong there???
> 
> are they doing it this way at our lab only or why is it so
> expensive
> around here? is it perhaps 2k HD scan then? but isn't
> "HD BESTLIGHT"
> telecine only?
> 
> so perhaps now you understand why i wanted to shoot 4perf
> so
> desperately, i didn't know that there are hourly rates
> at telecine
> places and that they are charged that way....
> 
> thanks for clearing up for me!!
> 
> regards, unexperienced guy from vienna
> 
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Camak, Lael (US - MGTTS)
> <Lael.Camak at meggitt.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I love this from HW.  He is EXACTLY correct, and I try
> to always live by
> > that (except I also add #6 Don't shoot with
> children or animals to that
> > list).  Amazingly, my first film shoot for me at the
> helm broke ALL FIVE
> > rules!  Which means that I was the only one stupid
> enough to take the job.
> > There IS a GOD and he certainly came through for me on
> that shoot.
> > Everything worked. Here below is all I was up against:
> >
> > Full Aperature anamorphic (no one shoots that format)
> > 2 weeks of Night shoots in Europe with HMIs (AND I was
> shooting 29.97fps on
> > 50 HZ lights / elec.)
> > Camera rented in Amsterdam (never seen until we showed
> up)
> > Anamorphic Lenses rented from Clairmont (in LA)
> > Locations changed at last minute
> > A third of my crew members I'd never laid eyes on
> until the Genny / Grip
> > truck showed up
> > Had to telecine an Anamorphic Full Aperature 35mm to
> two screens - a Left
> > 4:3 and a Right 4:3 with correct overlap for
> projection from two laser disc
> > players
> > Don't get me started on audio problems and Video
> assist
> > and the anamorphic desqueezer didn't show for the
> camera
> >
> > It wasn't me that pulled it off.  God stepped up
> and saved my career.
> >
> > Lael
> > (still humbled by my own incompetencies)
> >
> > HW wrote:
> > Never shoot two "new" items at once.
> >
> > A new camera.
> >
> > A new location.
> >
> > A new format.
> >
> > A new post process.
> >
> > A new crew.
> >
> > Pick one, but never two at once.
> >
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