[Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)

[Andrew Overtoom]

Hey, when exactly was the last time you saw
Strangelove?  Because in your post you
you describe in detail all the "fail-safe"
thinking the film debunks.  You should watch
It again-- maybe you didn't realize it was
funny the first time around? It's exactly the
human factor that screws the layers of
redundant logic.  Isn't that the point of the
film?

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "H. W. Stone" <colcam at aim.com> wrote:

> Very, very quietly-- before the Soviets popped their first nuke--  
> Truman and Stalin exchanged messages and traded policy materials on  
> control of the weapons to ensure the military could not take things  
> into its own hands, and then Eisenhower and Khrushchev talked, and  
> the top echelon of the US nuke program and the Soviet Nuke program  
> sat down to share "how to make sure no one could hijack and set off  
> a weapon without the orders coming from the top."  The codes, layers  
> of responsibility, the way security was chosen for the facilities--  
> all of it was carefully worked on in cooperation to make sure no one  
> could hijack a nuke and go boom.
>
> That included layers of security to prevent internal attempts to  
> take control of a base, and visits to training and exercises  
> including checking the presence of actual nukes.
>
> Both sides had extreme psych testing to ensure that keying was done  
> at too far of a distance for one person to do it, and that it  
> required keys and codes so ONLY the correct person on hand at that  
> time, knowing how the system worked, with the right upper codes and  
> his shift codes and the keys could handle one half of the activation  
> process.
>
> There was NO way ANY of it could have taken place, and if a plane  
> with nukes on it headed outward there was an immediate "call the  
> other side and arrange the destruction of the aircraft" so fighters  
> from both sides would isolate and destroy it before it got anywhere  
> near anything bigger than a crossroads with a stop sign.
>
> Trying to carefully control the hysteria was a difficult job, but  
> the military was totally under civilian control on both sides.
>
> Dr. Strangelove created a level of distrust, paranoia, and problems  
> that took decades to ease.
>
> It was stupid, it was a political statement, and it made things  
> worse by a huge amount.
>
> They thought about this, set up proceedures to prevent it, and both  
> sides were trying to keep the knee jerk reactionary types away from  
> the devices starting BEFORE the Soviets popped one.
>
> It was insulting to the men on both sides who risked their lives  
> working on it, the shared US-Soviet "broken arrow" program, and it  
> bothers me that the cost of freedom includes this kind of work.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean McVeigh <konvas at smallpony.ca>
> To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
> Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)
>
>
> "Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here.. this is the war room!!"
>
> what's not to love?
>
>
> On 7-Apr-09, at 7:04 PM, H. W. Stone wrote:
>
>> The "core" of Dr. Strangelove is pure stupidity-- in terms of  
>> action, a horrible parody of behaviors, and the premise was  
>> something that could not take place.  It was a sorry political  
>> statement, done at the most irrational portion of the cold war, and  
>> in direct defiance of the attempts by both sides to make sure such  
>> an event was impossible.
>>
>> It actually hurt the chances of peace by fanning irrational fears.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Cordle <dancordle at hotmail.com>
>> To: Cinema Konvas <cinema at konvas.org>
>> Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 6:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)
>>
>> Did no one enjoy Dr. Strangelove. The trailer alone makes me want  
>> to rent it:
>> http://www.zuguide.com/index.php#Dr-Strangelove-or-How-I-Learned-to-Stop-Worrying-and-Love-the-Bomb
>>
>> Dan Cordle
>>
>>
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