[Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)

Wed Apr 8 01:14:55 CDT 2009

Yes and during the Cuban Missile Crisis we were ALL one heartbeat away from being turned into radio active crispy critters DISPITE all of these "precautions". The whole point of that film is not how accurate the procedures were, it's that the 2 most powerful nations on Earth were now capable of destroying ALL human life in a matter of hours all because of differing political philosophies and thee TOTAL absurdity and insanity of such a situation. Ridicule is a MOST appropriate response to that kind of madness. 

BTW the only Kubrick film I didn't care for was The Killing. I kinda think I wouldn't have cared for Eyes Wide Shut, but I still haven't had the desire to sit down and watch it yet. I will at some point if for no other reason than to confirm my suspicions. I ALSO didn't care all that much for AI and even though Speilberg said he followed as closely as possible, Kubrick's blueprint, it still came off as more a Speilberg film than a Kubrick film which is, I supose, to be expected. I can't help wondering though, if Kibrick had lived to direct this dark material, IFG I would have liked it any better. I usually love Speiberg's work but, this one missed the mark for me and I think it was because it was totally unfamailar territory for Spielberg. Thinking about it, maybe Lynch is the only director aside from Kubrick that could have really pulled that one off.  

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:41:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)

Hey, when exactly was the last time you sawStrangelove?  Because in your post youyou describe in detail all the "fail-safe" thinking the film debunks.  You should watchIt again-- maybe you didn't realize it wasfunny the first time around? It's exactly the human factor that screws the layers of redundant logic.  Isn't that the point of thefilm?  

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On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "H. W. Stone" <colcam at aim.com> wrote:

 Very, very quietly-- before the Soviets popped their first nuke-- Truman and Stalin exchanged messages and traded policy materials on control of the weapons to ensure the military could not take things into its own hands, and then Eisenhower and Khrushchev talked, and the top echelon of the US nuke program and the Soviet Nuke program sat down to share "how to make sure no one could hijack and set off a weapon without the orders coming from the top."  The codes, layers of responsibility, the way security was chosen for the facilities-- all of it was carefully worked on in cooperation to make sure no one could hijack a nuke and go boom.  

That included layers of security to prevent internal attempts to take control of a base, and visits to training and exercises including checking the presence of actual nukes.

Both sides had extreme psych testing to ensure that keying was done at too far of a distance for one person to do it, and that it required keys and codes so ONLY the correct person on hand at that time, knowing how the system worked, with the right upper codes and his shift codes and the keys could handle one half of the activation process.  

There was NO way ANY of it could have taken place, and if a plane with nukes on it headed outward there was an immediate "call the other side and arrange the destruction of the aircraft" so fighters from both sides would isolate and destroy it before it got anywhere near anything bigger than a crossroads with a stop sign.  

Trying to carefully control the hysteria was a difficult job, but the military was totally under civilian control on both sides.  

Dr. Strangelove created a level of distrust, paranoia, and problems that took decades to ease.

It was stupid, it was a political statement, and it made things worse by a huge amount.

They thought about this, set up proceedures to prevent it, and both sides were trying to keep the knee jerk reactionary types away from the devices starting BEFORE the Soviets popped one.

It was insulting to the men on both sides who risked their lives working on it, the shared US-Soviet "broken arrow" program, and it bothers me that the cost of freedom includes this kind of work.

-----Original Message-----

From: Sean McVeigh <konvas at smallpony.ca>

To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>

Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:44 pm

Subject: Re: [Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)

"Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here.. this is the war room!!"

what's not to love?

On 7-Apr-09, at 7:04 PM, H. W. Stone wrote:

The "core" of Dr. Strangelove is pure stupidity-- in terms of action, a horrible parody of behaviors, and the premise was something that could not take place.  It was a sorry political statement, done at the most irrational portion of the cold war, and in direct defiance of the attempts by both sides to make sure such an event was impossible.

It actually hurt the chances of peace by fanning irrational fears.

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Cordle <dancordle at hotmail.com>

To: Cinema Konvas <cinema at konvas.org>

Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 6:45 pm

Subject: Re: [Konvas] and the winner is......? (Barry Lyndon)

Did no one enjoy Dr. Strangelove. The trailer alone makes me want to rent it: 

http://www.zuguide.com/index.php#Dr-Strangelove-or-How-I-Learned-to-Stop-Worrying-and-Love-the-Bomb 

Dan Cordle 

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