[Konvas] Ebayer advice please

[H. W. Stone]

 Having been to the Arri factory and present during tear downs to document for equipment failure insurance claims--

The way the Arri is built was the same way the Kinor was built-- each chassis hand fitted to each set of parts, and the quality of materials is the same.

In cameras with similar use logs, the wear and damage is similar, too.? It should be noted that no two identical cameras will have identical use history, or identical results, you can only go on average for the units.? The reason I got into the Konvas was to replace Arri 2b/2c bodies that were becoming too expensive to maintain.? I intended to change them to PL, but the tests of the LOMO glass changed my mind--? although I admit that I prefer the older Cooke look over the newer Zeiss zing, and it may not apply to your preference.? Having access to several European users with Kinor experience the larger, heavier 35s was preferred over the lighter 35n, but they all rated the lifespan, reliability, and maintenance of the Kinor as "about the same" as the earlier Arri 35BL through BL3 models, with the 35s toward the top with the BL3.? 

I know that wnen I had the 35BL3 it was quieter than the 35n, but the 35s may be the same or less--? which was why I had Anders redo the one I bought from him to ultimate quiet.? We only ran one small test with it, but it was quiet enough. 

As for why the cameras are hand built?

Volume and performance--? just like a Ferrari versus a Yugo, smaller numbers and higer perfromance play into it.


 


 

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From: Speedbirdmgh at aol.com
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Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Konvas] Ebayer advice please
















In a message dated 19/02/2009 16:31:48 GMT Standard Time, colcam at aim.com 
writes:


First--? the camera needs to be 
  converted to standard B&H perf before you use it, and that will cost you, 
  too.

Second--? Kinor paint seems to be rather soft, but he did not 
  repaint it and try to pass it off as a new or mint camera, did 
  he?

Third--? High milage cameras are ONLY the cameras that 
  work.? If it does not work, if it has problems, it winds up low 
  mileage.

Fourth--? Define "pricey."? An Arri 35BL2 in the 
  same shape has about the same features-- except for not being self blimped for 
  the lenses-- it is is twice the price.

Finally--? note the "make 
  an offer" button.? Talk to him, see what he has to say, check with people 
  who have bought from him, see what they say.? Then decide what you can or 
  cannot afford to do, see what happens.







Many thanks HW?for your comments and I agree with you on most points. 
The Kinor 35 is a well made camera but is it comparable to Arri in terms of 
build quality. There are only a few people left in the world who are able to 
strip down and service a Kinor 35 let alone strip down and rebuild one like new. 
It would be nice to hear from someone with experience of rebuilding ARRI's and 
KINOR's so we can?judge for ourselves which is made better. Performance 
wise they may be equal. ?Metallurgy is a science and casting alloys is one 
thing but understanding the properties of certain metals is another and there 
are very few camera technicians who understand both. Anders and Bruce I 
understand can do both but again boils down to the investment in high quality 
machinery?to decide who is the better. Anders and Bruce both have gained a 
reputation for their outstanding quality of work so they are in a better 
position to ascertain the build quality of these two great cameras. Both cameras 
have "querks" like any machine but these are attributed to design flaws than 
machining defects. I wonder if Arri cameras are "hand built" and if so 
why?


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Just my thoughts.


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Rita

 





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