[Konvas] Cameflex CM3 2-perf worth some money?

Sat Nov 28 22:22:14 CST 2009

Looks about right to me. See right now, though, at 27K feet of film you have a 6 to 1 shooting ratio in 2 perf. That's tight but doable.  IF you use Hong Kong film making techniques which is a combination of in camera editing, cutting when a mistake is made and moving the camera to another angle and taking the shot from the prior line or even word rather than re-shooting the whole sequence, limiting takes to 1 to 3 at the most and adding in Russian and Italian technique of shooting MOS and ADR and foleying in the dialog and sound afterward, it will save you as well if your labor costs are cheap. 

> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:23:47 +0100
> From: xax at stilfabrik.at
> To: cinema at konvas.org
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] Cameflex CM3 2-perf worth some money?
> 
> I just did some math and I am quite intrigued. All the "just go out
> and shoot film" mails here have been quite inspring to jump back on
> that wagon again and I did some real world 2010 math:
> 
> Moviecam 2-perf with 27000 ft of stock = 14K EURO
> 
> let's say I am able to use 25000 ft of that for the feature, would be
> 500 minutes, should be enough for a 92 minute feature.
> 
> processing of 25000 ft in Hongkong = 2K EURO
> hd telecine is around 400 euro an hour there, they say they need
> around 2.5x realtime = 8K EURO (looking to somehow save here with
> selecting takes etc.), can reduce to 4K EURO maybe?
> 
> so if I'm not mistaken, I am able to do the camera-side of things for
> 22K EURO incl. contigency (33K USD) incl. the purchase of a 2-perf
> moviecam with lots of accessories (btw. we own all the other shebang
> like tripod, follow focus, filters, mattebox, and lenses if you can
> exchange the pl mount of the moviecam to BNCR, otherwise we'd have to
> use our PL lomos - which are for sale btw :))
> 
> and from then on we'd be able to shoot a feature film for 6K EURO (60
> cans of FUJI in HK) + 6K EURO (processing and telecine)
> 
> that's on the camera side and we'll get a HDCAM SR tape at the end.
> 
> not included is of course lots and lots of pre-production, production
> and post-production stuff, someone has to light dress act focus cook,
> etc. I know, but I am trying to work out a real world low 35mm 2-perf
> budget out.
> 
> any mistakes in my calculations???
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM, steve beverly <capt.video at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > GOOD Camera!!
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:16:12 +0100
> >> From: xax at stilfabrik.at
> >> To: cinema at konvas.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Konvas] Cameflex CM3 2-perf worth some money?
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> Btw, anyone saw that one Moviecam Superamerica up for sale that was
> >> around 10K GBP with something like 27000ft of film included?
> >>
> >> cheers, Xax
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
> >> > Not sync but a cool camera and would be great in addition to a 2-perf Kinor
> >> > 35H for  shooting a feature.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 27, 2009, at 7:51 PM, XiaoSu Han <xax at stilfabrik.at> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey,
> >> >>
> >> >> I've seen a Cameflex CM3 in 2-perf configuration listed for sale and
> >> >> am thinking about buying it. It has a PL hardmount installed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Would it be usable to shoot a feature with?
> >> >>
> >> >> Will it be "easier" to use than something like a Konvas 2M or Kinor 35H?
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone got some experience with the camera? Is it sync?
> >> >>
> >> >> cheers, Xax
> >> >>
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