[Konvas] frame rate questions: put on your thinking caps and break out your calculators
Adam Frey
thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com
Thu Sep 24 14:30:35 CDT 2009
I have a few minutes this week to try and update some of the konvas.org
FAQ. I have a few quick (but random) questions.
First question:
What are the three (or four) most used frame rates in cinematography for
capture and projection/transfer (e.g., television, cinema theaters, and
home theaters)?
Given, 24fps & 30fps are obviously the top two. But would the next one
on the list be 18fps (mostly Super8)? Possibly 12fps for cartoons? Or
some other frame rate that I'm not thinking about right now? I doubt
60fps is going to be a number in the loop, since that's usually an HD
recorded frame rate. I'm also wondering how much super8 is getting shot
at 18fps anymore - I know 24fps has become the de facto frame rate for
almost all things film.
The next question is definitely mathematical in nature:
When a film has been exposed and developed to a mean density of 1.0 and
projected onto a single screen at the same frame rate that it was shot
(for arguments sake, let's say that lens quality and registration issues
are both equal and optimal for all tests. Also, let's say we're shooting
Kodak's DOUBLE-X B&W Neg 5222/7222, so that different color curves do
not come into play), is the final image, as perceived by the viewer,
from Super16 @ 30fps comparable to 35mm @ 24fps? (How about when
transfered to HDTV 1080i60? Or, along the same lines, how about when
viewing 18fps vs 24fps in the same formats?)
Breaking it down, it should be that the 1.66:1 S16 frame (should be
93mm^2) is close to 1/3 the resolution of 1.66:1 cropped 35mm (I believe
it's 292mm^2), but the entire *set* of images at 30 vs 24 (frame size
aside), which means 6 more images per second when viewed in motion,
should be 25% greater (correct?).
btw: 93mm^2 means "ninety-three millimeters squared"
The film's sharpness (MTF or "Modulation Transfer Function"), grain
(Granularity or "RMS Granularity"), and Spectral Sensitivity will also
be an issue, but this means we need to bring the shutter angle and
shutter speed into play as well...
Originally, I had been thinking that it would be something simple and
that it would be measured in time or "per second", in which my math
would have been as follows:
frame size x granularity x fps x time = perceived optical resolution
But, that would have been wrong. It doesn't account for the shutter
angle/speed, giving a slightly different exposure for 24fps vs 30fps.
The nature of film has shown that it acts differently as the different
emulsions are exposed differently. Another thing to note is that the
shutter speed's motion blur at 24fps will be greater than at 30fps.
Note that "exposure time" is measured in seconds, which is usually
broken down into fractions of a second, especially when dealing with
MoPic films. To find the shutter speed, it is:
shutter angle / 360 x fps = exposure time
OK, I'm also having a bit of an issue with determining how the
Granularity, MTF, and Spectral Sensitivity would work into the equation
(especially having an issue with the math). Granularity is apparently
measured by how many grains per 0.048mm diameter circle there are. I
know the numbers would be much higher, but why not measure them per
square millimeter?
MTF is the sharpness. I'll be honest and say that I do not fully
understand how this can be determined separately from the granularity,
but I understand that films have a certain thickness, and, much like
prescription glasses, this is probably what determines the sharpness -
but I could be wrong. The Spectral Sensitivity is determined by exposure
and density.
So maybe if we took the above and put it all into the equation, how
would it work out then?:
exposure, frame size, granularity, MTF, Spectral Sensitivity, fps, &
time = perceived optical resolution
I'm pretty sure I have the correct data at this point, just not the
correct skills to master this equation...
Oh - and just a little something extra to think about:
If you flipped an image up for 1/48th of a second (24fps), someone's
brain may be able to register at least a portion of the image. But what
a person perceives at 1/60th of a second (30fps) will be reduced even
more, as the brain had even less time to register the image. But, if
it's an image that shows motion, the motion blur may reduce the visual
response of the 24fps frame, but increase the visual response of the
30fps frame...
I know there is a very similar argument in HDTV land with 720p60 vs
1080i60. And I also know that the sports channels decided it was better
to stick with 720p60, which reduced motion blur, while everyone else
decided 1080i60 was better...
Be warned, I may ask more questions like this in the future...
Cheers,
Adam Frey
Director/Cinematographer
Crimson Chain Productions
http://crimsonchainproductions.com
Cell: 301-639-7146
Crimson Chain Productions
PO Box 35
Libertytown, MD 21762
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